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Joe Hicks's avatar

Someday I'm planning on doing a big write up on "Bullshit Jobs" that you brought up here. I've read some of that book and I'm just taken aback questioning why it was ever taken that seriously to begin with.

If the book was simply "An Anthology on the Phenomenon of Jobs that seemingly have little purpose" that would be a fine book. But instead he treats it as sort of "Social, Political, and Economic Treatise against this endemic intentional feature of late-stage capitalism" and that just loses me.

Sure, there really are some bullshit jobs out there. But the ones he cited were the absolute worst cases, that he only heard about from a survey he ran. Did some of the people working feel real psychological distress? Yes! But he also goes on to claim that since in some survey some majority of people thought their jobs were bullshit, then we must treat it as such!

As the economy becomes bigger the little sliver of work anyone might do becomes smaller and more abstract, which is good! But it also means some people "don't see the point" of their jobs. Some jobs are for reserve corporate capacity, some are for handling weird edge cases, some jobs are just designed poorly, and some are just forgotten on the org chart. But there is still value in most jobs, business owners aren't in the business of employing people for shits and gigs.

Anyway, as a former middleman I appreciate the post! Coordination involves so many little details that are annoying to even the middlemen whose job it is, much less the primary parties. If the pig is really great at butchering he shouldn't be spending his time haggling the exact supplier of transportation on the new butchering equipment he bought, that's not using his talents well!

Alex Potts's avatar

The bullshit jobs thesis, or at least the popular discourse version of it (since I haven't read Graeber's original work), to me has always felt like an argument from ignorance: "I don't understand what the point of this job is, therefore this job has no point."

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